Proud of Alabama Congress

[KTBKRUSHER]

voted today to allow our state to vote on whether or not to opt out of obamacare.

[tank]

voted today to allow our state to vote on whether or not to opt out of obamacare.

I hope they do. More money for other states and if they go broke tough shit.

[Dirty]

Health care will be found unconstitutional anyway if it is not changed ....

[tank]

Health care will be found unconstitutional anyway if it is not changed ....

Don't get your hopes up. They was saying the same thing about Medicaid too.

[Dirty]

I don't have a Problem with a National Health care if everyone wants it....Not something forced on every State by Congress. It should be a Amendment that has to be ratified...

I don't agree with National Health Care personally because Insurance or cheap Health Care is not a right as a Citizen of this country and it shouldn't be.... people should not be forced to buy a voluntary service... but with that said if the states ratify it and the majority of the country wants it and Not 535 Members of Congress Deciding for us when they don't do what their Constituents want but what the party line Dictates

[tank]

I know Dirty. I have been saying the same thing since the helmet law went into effect, the smoking ban, new tax on soda,etc,etc,etc,What really pisses me off is these same people that wanted the smoking ban telling bars that the government should decide how they should run their bar are the same ones crying now wondering who gave the govt. the power to do this stuff.The Govt. has learned the easiest way to conquer the people is to divide them.

[Dirty]

you got it tank... I don't smoke and I don't ride Motorcycles... but the government should not tell people they have to wear helmets, seat belts, can't smoke, etc... I do draw the line at car seats... that is a must..

But It was my choice to go to a bar knowing smokers would be there... I went on my own... I knew it going in.. If I sat in a smoking section I knew it and gave permission...

These fucking sin taxes and laws have already been proven unconstitutional but that doesn't stop them.. Now we are taxing fuckers that lie in tanning beds 10%l.. fuck if they want to kill themselves let them... don't punish them for it with a tax... they will get it with skin cancer..haha... the freedoms are gone

All these damn Republicans piss me off because they are yelping like hell but didn't say a word when our Freedoms were taken daily with Much of the Patriot Act and don't say a word when local and state lawmakers take away smoking, strip clubs, bars, alcohol, etc... You don't legislate morality you hypocritical bastards... that is why you have a brain.. don't visit the places that allow that stuff, don't watch in on TV, or buy it, etc.... quit looking down on people who don't agree with your bible thumping self serving principles... I don't need you and No one else needs your hypocritical grubby ass hands in my business... I don't get in yours...

Both parties are exactly the same... If a republican today Tells you they wouldn't have supported this if GWB or McCain if he won would have proposed this they need their teeth knocked out because they are a outright lowlife liar.... Thjey would be out there Just like the Socialcrats are doing.... Each Party follows the party line and does that they say like good little sheeple and refuses to take a stand........... This country gets what it deserves as long as people are voting for the Idiots in either Major Party.... Both parties are outspending Revenue and Bankrupting this country... Reblicidiots can scream all they want about Obama's spending, but any Republican would not have been too far behind him and Once the Repubs win some seats during Mid Terms and during the Next election it will be just like when the Dems took over after the first 4 years of Bush... Nothing Changed when they got control of Congress...

Everyone supporting each party just needs to shut the hell up and let the people who can think for themselves and who actually care about States rights, Individual Rights and being able to have some personal Freedom run this country.... I can assure you almost 100% of the people in Congress and who support the Major Parties actually believe our country is a Democracy and they couldn't tell you what type of Government we actually are supposed to have as set up by the Constitution...I just cringe every time I hear a teacher, lawyer, Congressman, President, etc. talk about the Great Democracy we have in America... WE have never had a Democracy and we still don't you fucking Idiots

[KTBKRUSHER]

If a republican today Tells you they wouldn't have supported this if GWB or McCain if he won would have proposed this they need their teeth knocked out because they are a outright lowlife liar....

bullshit...no way i would support this bill no matter who proposed it...my wife could be president and i would be against it.....
I am a republican but I also think for myself so your argument is bullshit at best.

as far as the patriot act, at the time it seemed necessary due to the terrorist acts committed against our country, people inside our country are conspiring against our government and our country so I understand it. If you don't have anything to hide why do you care????

the only people outside of congress that want nationalized hc are illegal immigrants looking to further freeload off of hard working americans or people not working that want to freeload.........I understand some are out of jobs and if there was a legit plan for those people that are trying, I would support that for those people, but not for everyone, the govt cannot run the post office much less have the irs run fking hc....good grief

[Dirty]

A defense Like "If you have nothing to hide why do you care?" is why our freedoms are being taken from us daily... It has nothing to do with doing anything wrong and everything to do with Keeping the government out of our personal affairs.. It is none of their business...


And Your last argument is total Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity Hyperbole .... just bullshit scare tactics to make you think that.... I can assure you there are lots more people than Illegals and poor people who want free insurance... the plan the way it is set up now will not affect them anyway as the majority don't pay any income taxes so the Government can't fine them if they don't buy a policy they will just keep doing what they are doing now...

I will not make a determination on this plan until it is actually read and implemented and anyone bitching about it before then is nuts... non one knows what is in it and how it is going to affect anyone yet. Very little of it is in place... The sad truth of the matter is Most States already have a Government funded Health Care (Georgia has Peach Care) and the US Government has Medicare.. nothing is realistically going to change most likely the money is just going to be moved around and going to other places to pay for it... The only reason the Republicans are Bitching is because the money being spent on it is actually out in the open instead of hidden in other projects and resources that pay for government subsidies that now pay for Health care... The Money Obama is spending is already being spent on it.. Now it is just earmarked for it.

That being said I am against the plan as I have said before... the Government should not be making any decisions for me, you, tank, or anyone else in this country....


My first point was tongue in cheek and not meant to mean every single Republican but my point was made that the Super Majority of them would be in support of it....

[KTBKRUSHER]

.... I can assure you there are lots more people than Illegals and poor people who want free insurance

first off sure there are...i would love free health insurance....make no mistake about it..this in no way will be free......

keeping the government out of our affairs would be great......however the dems cannot have it both ways...keep them out...yet run hc and ss and medicare and such but no patriot act.....my defense of the act as the hc is not limbaugh, or hannity or any of their shit as i have not watched Fox news in probably 3 months as i have a 4 year old and a 2 year old and do not have time....it is simply the fact that generally when someone has an issue with "invasion of privacy' its because they have something to hide....

doctors are going to run from this hc bill and be very selective of who they see..primary care physicians that is....and obama nor mccain nor ron paul can do shit about it...that is the way it is set up and that is life.....this hc plan makes simple things as seeing a doctor for a cold be very very difficult

Get a good primary now that you can trust, cause in a year you will not find one that will take you bro.

[Dirty]

We are already paying for it KTB.. how hard is that for you to understand.... I can tell ya ... the republicans did a jam up job of securing the future of SS and Medicare... they spent the surpluses in each as soon as the fucking cash hit the bank just like everything else... NONE of the Funds in Washington have a dime in them... the funds have been spent and replaced with IOU's and it didn't start with Obama ..... The Republicans did the same thing the Every politician in Washington does.... You can set there and chirp about the democrats being evil all you want... the republicans are just as bad. Both parties are exactly the same.... spend more than we take in... it is just how they spend it...doesn't matter if we spend it on Healthcare or Pissing more away on Education... the money is still being spend and we are paying for it somewhere.. If Health insurance doesn't go up then they would have raised taxes on several things across the board to get the money to do it.. Both parties have been using baby steps to get to socialism since the progressive Income tax was instituted and now the Last two Presidents have just been flaunting it in our faces... Bush by Stealing our Freedoms in the Patriot act and ramrodding it thru before it could be read and analyzed and Now Obama with this Healthcare... each fucked this country worse than anyone knows... the Dems were screaming at Bush because they didn't get the chance to take credit for doing anything... they were not in charge... and Now the Republicans are yapping like a bunch of faggot as Chihauhau's because heaven forbid they didn't get their way... Once you realize they are all nutsucking no good cockass fuckwads then the better off you will be KTB.... I wouldn't wast a breath defending either party... there are better things to do in life....

And NO PCP is going to be dropping anyone.. PCP's are getting pay raises to compete with specialists .. if you would have read the bill you would know that... if you have Health Insurance nothing will change with your PCP and 90% of the bill does not kick in until 2014 and very little that will be implemented before then will change a thing... 4 years is a lot of time so yapping now before anything have even been released from ONE insurance company how it is going to affect people and their rates is a little idiotic in My opinion... you are yapping about nothing...cause there is nothing to yap about until something is actually in place.... Sure it was voted in... but it is not in place yet and very little of it will be.. why do you think he put into year 2014.. so if he Loses the Election the next Administration has to deal with it...

[KTBKRUSHER]

And NO PCP is going to be dropping anyone.. PCP's are getting pay raises to compete with specialists
ABSOLUTELY FALSE....

3 docs in the family buddy, they are all already scrambling...my PCP is retiring at the end of next year, 5 years earlier than planned due to this...you do realize a PCP that does not take Medicaid has to with this bill or Medicare.....

I guess you see different news than I do and have different HC because BCBS has sent letters of intent to raise rates as has Aetna, Loomis and Western...

My insurance company sent me a letter saying my rates would be raised XXX to account for new HC laws that I received a week ago by the way.
Secondarily, this HC bill klls small biz and I am glad here in Alabama we will vote the bullshit law out so my business will not be penalized for making money